It seems that as time goes by Bonanzle, pardon me Bonanza, gets less forthcoming with information, there is more censorship and more punishment for anyone trying to ask honest questions or ask for the site to be accountable.
The forum, while at a time of change should be quite active, is fairly dull. Lots of welcomes and the usual "no meat" posting. Every time someone comes along that is not rah rah, asks tough questions or points out issues, they are DMVed, thread/post removed, suspended or even removed from the site all together.
This blog may get me removed, who knows since they do read and care what we say on our blogs. But, we have to be able to say what we think and feel somewhere. We have to be able to ask the tough questions and give the important information somewhere. It is their censorship and strict control over what we can and can not say that has driven so many of us to putting all the "dirty laundry" so to say, off site and on blogs.
Earlier this evening there was a good bit of talk that the site had a security breach. Bill's blog had been altered and there was a lot of foul language that Bill (lets hope) would not use.
One thread had been started with a more humorous take on this and it had been deleted relatively fast. At this point I thought it relevant that we know one way or the other if we had a security issue. There was no doubt that the boyz would fix it, however, I wanted to know that it had or had not happened, what had been done to correct it and if we needed to change our passwords, just how far had it gone. I do believe this is something that we ALL had a right to know.
So, I started a thread and this was my post
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Bonanza Secruity Breach ??
I understand we have had a breach in site security
if this is so, I would really like to know to what extent
I think for one thing Bill’s blog was highjacked
but, I really would like to know the extent please
did anyone see or experience anything weird, if so I think we need to all know and also report it to support
do we need to all change our password, or should we to be on the safe side
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It didn't take long from what I understand to be locked and this post from Mark
"@Pugs, there was not a security breach. We are experimenting with different blogs to capture the uniqueness of some of our categories. That is all
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at 7:58 PM I received this Bmail from Mark
Your post seems a bit "end of the worldish" and only serves to invoke drama. Were you not able to get a prompt reply via support?
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WTH
First I didn't email support.. the situation was on the blog for all to see and I feel it was an honest question we all deserved an honest answer for.
then I guess he couldn't wait for me to eat my dinner and answer his bmail .. at 8:15PM I was DMVed
this is my 3rd in 3 months .. now, I could never get them to tell me what the first was for and the second was for a joke .. Mark told me I should put a disclaimer so people would know I was kidding and I said that was what the smiley face was. So, I guess I have a 24 hour suspension. I wouldn't mind but there is no justice or fairness in the forum ... OK that is a whole other blog
POINT OF THIS STORY
What the hell are they hiding for such a knee jerk over reaction.
If there was no breach all Mark had to do was respond to the first thread about this and/or respond to mine so the topic could be answered, members reassured and we move on.
To zap one thread, DMV me instead of giving a simple answer makes one wonder what are they hiding. They sure want to just shut everyone up instead of dealing with questions.
Now, I ask, was a question that could have just had the simple answer given invoking drama.. or was the DMVing invoking drama????
Boyz, I think we are a tad over touchy to say the least. For guyz who are suppose to be easy going with a sense of humor you sure are uptight and worried.
Very interesting.
ReplyDeleteOh my goodness! I can't believe you got suspended :(
ReplyDeleteI'm at a loss for words. A simple explanation was all that was needed.
I'd like to know who, if not Bill, posted all the foul language in his own "experimental" blog. I'd like to know this from Mark, a founder of Bonanza and the one who said that there was in fact, no security breach on Bonanza and was also the one to suspend pugs from posting in the forum overnight.
ReplyDeleteI feel that it is very important to know who you are doing business with and associating online with.
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ReplyDeletePugs, it is my very firm belief, with ample proof, that discipline is handled according to who the "offender" is.
ReplyDeleteI am sorry this has happened to you.
I didn't see the blog go awry but if they were testing something, why would they test it using foul language (with a chance of others seeing it)?
What categories would be "captured" by a blog of foul language?
I don't buy that, not for a second.
It's hard to say what is really going on but I highly doubt we will ever know because information doesn't seem to come out to us like it should (the recent changes are a good example.)
And yes, they do read our blogs but it mostly happens when one of the rah-rahs point out something we have written to them with some kind of dramatized version of what is actually written to get them to go look at the blog.
Just remember, the truth is far more powerful than anything on earth!
PS - I deleted my first post due to typos.
there was a user name on the blog in question, user now not on site
ReplyDeleteIF they were testing then just say so
but, to DMV an honest question that was posted respectfully only brings up questions and draws suspicion
IF not .. fess up
by admitting problems or accepting the blame and responsibility you can gain respect... denying and covering up looses only creates more problems
good Dakota, I hope they come and read since Mark I don not believe has read my response to his bmail to me
rah rahs can say what they want :) This is one place where they can not report me.. I will say what I want :)
just for the record .... I am not being negative, just stating the truth and an honest opinion
oh, and if I do want to say something negative, well, that is my own darn business and right also :)
ReplyDeleteWell I would say I am amazed that you got a dmv and vacation for that post, but I'm not.
ReplyDeleteThis is a forum where every little thing that is perceived as not being positive enough is deemed negative and either deleted or disemvoweled. I personally believe these actions are far more negative than most of what is said on the forum.
I also find that much of the drama there is caused by a few positive thinkers (who have become radical with it) trying to force it on others to the point of taking away the right to be an idividual with ones own nature and personality.
If you do not fit a certain mold you are not welcome. I somehow don't see that working on a site that is trying to attract the masses. With too much oppression comes resentment.
But that is just my negative opinion.
OK ... I wrote a book here ... only to hit a glitch LOL
ReplyDeleteLets try again .. but now, I must make it brief
Good post Pugs, Yes there are times you must take off site.
MARK - Please, Give me a break. Yes Pugs should have contacted support, but would the answer have been any different?
I contacted support after the first time I tried to log into the new Bonanza and got a security warning that windows STRONGLY recommended I did not go on site. That the certificate was not valid.
Yes, I also posted this in forum thread. after contacting support, because the security of the site is EVERYONES business.
"Rachel" was kind enough to send me a response a couple of days later that "The issue has been fixed or will be soon"
MARK - what kind of answer is that? Especially over a security certificate??
Now IF either the Bonz staff finds a blog post like that is 'cool', or your experments are programed badly. Either way ... I am really disappointed in the whole situation.
In a Security breach .. true you will have alot of 'chicken littles' running about, but time is at essence and we all must know ASAP. The Forum can be a good place to start.
Pugs, Thanks for asking the hard questions. Sorry to hear about your suspension. I think it was unjustified.
ReplyDeleteYour Friend,
LouieTheSeller
I am so sorry that you are suspended over asking a question that needed to be asked. Of course I missed everything - was out to dinner then getting the little one's tap and jazz shoes and outfits - too many $$ lighter, I log into Bonz, answer a few questions from potential buyers and go to bed. I wake up to this...
ReplyDeleteI LOVE Bonanza as a whole. I really do and love the people and my fellow sellers. The whole censorship thing is getting a tad much though.
If Bonanza is concerned that potential buyers will see the forums and comments, perhaps then we sellers should have a separate area to post our concerns/questions and have them addressed. An area not visible unless you are registered on the site and have a booth WITH items listed for sale.
I hope that all is resolved soon and if there was indeed a security breach, it is their legal responsibility to be forthcoming with that information.
Kudos to you Pugs Beauty for asking the hard to ask questions.
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Patti (Yeshuazgirl)
UPDATE:
ReplyDeleteOK, you have seen my bmail from Mark, this was my reply
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Mark,
so sorry I couldn't respond to your bmail right away, I was having dinner
Excuse me ??
there was already a lot of talk. I asked a simple question that required a simple answer
the only drama invoked is by the DMV, locking the thread etc
if nothing is wrong then say so and leave it alone .. people should be told either way
a bit touchy if there was nothing wrong aren't we ????
I understand now there was a thread before mine about this, did they get a violation for it also???
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HIS REPLY
The title of your thread stated that our site had been attacked. That is unsubstantiated, not true, and it only serves to invoke drama and it strikes fear in our community that our site is not safe. We are the first to admit if *anything* happens and we have always been transparent and honest with our community. That in itself should earn us the benefit of the doubt or at the very least an email to support prior to posting a "Sky is falling" type of email.
Please be sure to adhere to our forum guidelines to avoid losing your posting privileges permanently.
Thanks,
Mark
The Bonanza Team
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MINE BACK
seems to me there were a couple of questions marks in my titles with would indicate it was a question and not a statement
you have been known to change titles before .. but instead you took the "sky is falling" approach
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He sure did get upset over a title that was a question
why so upset???
and if every "sky is falling" person got suspended the forum would be even more quiet than it is now
I also do not feel my question was "sky is falling"
morning all, and thank you for your posts
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ReplyDeleteI would not in any way call that a sky is falling post or title. I would call it an adult being concerned about their business. It was a simple question which if answered openly and honestly could have been put to rest very quickly.
ReplyDeleteMark if you read this, sorry if you see my comments as bashing. They truly are not meant that way, but Bonz forums have been taken over with all this positive stuff, and there is no place there to discuss business or concerns for anyone who may have other productive ideas or questions that do not fit into a certain group or mold. I hate to think this is going to remain this way.
You have a great selling site, would hate to see the forum be the undoing of it, and no the sky is not falling, but some wonderful members are being lost and some great promo people are swinging in another direction.
In my opinion it is not wise for any site to shut down their community to any hard core business discussion and sanitize it to the point of not having any personality or gusto.
Most businesses are not run by people who float around spreading sunshine, not saying there are not a few, but many business people like and can handle a bit of stress in their business life. It keeps them from becoming stale. Just a thought.
A QUESTION
ReplyDeletethere was a thread before mine... it did not have a title that even used the word security
it was the title of the blog, something about sumer bags
it was removed
that was not a "sky is falling"
why was it removed
why didn't mark just post the answer to that and say they were "testing"
it all looks like a cover up
and at the very least a poorly handled situation
if you are "testing" and playing around why do you treat members that way by deleting threads and DMVing them just because they saw it and commented
I read that first thread and it seems to me that someone posted that the question of "Was There A Security Breach on Bonanza?"
ReplyDeleteWas that person also punished for asking that question?
These unanswered questions often just lead to more questions...
no pace, they were not, but I guess their title was not "sky is falling" since it had nothing about security in it, instead it was something like "summer bags" what the blog was about... but, the question was asked within the post... the thread was simply removed .. and no punishment to the author
ReplyDeleteHey Pugs,
ReplyDeleteAren't we old enough to think and say what is on our minds (in a manner that doesn't hurt others) so that we can make the necessary daily decisions about things that affect our lives?
A security breach is a serious thing and an answer is not too much to ask for when weird things are happening.
Also, support is not what it used to be since that Zen desk thing was implemented (takes too long for a response in most cases.)
Site security questions are not something that should wait several hours or DAYS to be answered. (I have been waiting 4 days for an answer from Bonz support to an email I sent them about membership money they have but haven't issued credit for - not as serious as a security breach but money is right up there with important things.)
I understand that there is usually some censorship in public forums BUT to have a site tell its members HOW to write what is on their mind, blows me away.
I have gotten one of those emails about HOW to write something on the forums and all it did was make me decide to go back to only doing greetings of newbies.
It was simply too maddening to see posts of any real substance being sent to pergatory. I hate that worse than being dmv'd, deleted or dumped in drama.
Not one thread have I ever posted as the OP has stayed up top. NOT ONE!
Whether it be support or the happy trigger fingers of site members making that happen, I don't know but I do know this:
It's not worth my time to try to share any real information that could help other members on a site that only wants roses and rainbows or where they allow other members to fight the OP about the info offered even when the proof of the correctness of the info offered is right there in the same post. (Those are the two choices I have seen offered since the beginning - not good.)
Like I said before, punishment is handed out (or sometimes not handed out - or even sometimes changed or removed) according to who the "offender" is. It's been that way since I signed on there and has only gotten worse and more obvious.
The last sentence in his reply states that you could get a permanent boot from the forums. All of this - simply because you asked a legit, serious question about something that is important to all members? Wow! Amazing!
Like others have said, I like the site - but it is just like how I feel about my kids - it doesn't mean that I always like what they do. But of course, that doesn't mean I like them any less. It just means that I wish they would get a clue and do things fairly, properly and without thought of who the member is that they are dealing with.
They also need to remember that we are adults and not everything about ecommerce is happy and light (there are serious things that do need discussed and/or mentioned.)
This is going beyond absurd. I no longer participate in the forums unless it is a hello or about pets.
ReplyDeleteWe are in business correct? They tend to forget that they are also holding our business hostage when they refuse to acknowledge a problem. Ever since the Zen desk was put into use it has been nothing but problems. Posts that have been dmv'd are not checked for credibility. If you send a bug report they have to re-create it before it can be submitted to a programmer to even look at. If you are one person sending the bug report you may as well forget it and go "clean your cache". But if we try to brainstorm on the boards we are creating trouble.
The biggest flaw I see is there cannot be any constructive criticism at this point by any older members. Defense mechanisms go into high gear. I mean really LOL did they not expect that having 2 sites running at the same time and making a slew of changes wouldn't leave the smallest of crevices for a hacker to get in? I mean for heavens sake they are not perfect. Obviously anything that may make them look bad is not to be posted..although pushing people to blog and facebook the problems gets even more attention...now there's some logic! NOT
I'm to the point of not addressing any problems at all. Let all the newbies and know it alls handle it. But by God, hand out the same punishment to them. For being a social website with the friendliest community around there's something way wrong with this. To punish a long standing member with a suspension for looking out for YOUR best interest is just imbecile. Oops, my bad, I criticized. :)
"...there was not a security breach. We are experimenting with different blogs to capture the uniqueness of some of our categories. That is all" Guess that's why Bill's blog had been altered and there was a lot of foul language in it. Guess they are capturing the uniqueness of the bizarre category. Perfect reason to suspend someone.
@ Dakota, yes, most of us are adults. I agree rules of some kind need to be in place for the few who are not. However, there is no justice or fairness in the way they enforce the rules. Say anything they do not want others to see, even though it does not break any rules, and it's deleted or DMVed and or the person in trouble.
ReplyDeleteAs to their interpretation of what will invoke drama.... well that is very subjective isn't it. If they don't want to answer it or thinks we wont like the answers then it's going to create drama. They are the ones creating the drama IMO.
In trying to stop us from seeing or talking about certain things they are trying to make themselves look good but instead are looking very bad.
@ sofy, well dear, nothing is their fault, they do not take responsibility for anything so, yep, you had just as soon clear your cache or change your resolution or whatever... cause you know it's your fault
@ all
received a response from my last reply to Mark... this is all there was and I am thinking it is a threat
>>>Please be sure to adhere to our forum guidelines to avoid losing your posting privileges permanently.
Thanks,
Mark
The Bonanza Team<<<<
Well, I sure would adhere if the rules were clearer and not so subjective to Marks opinion of what will create drama
With my luck I will welcome someone in a way that will invoke drama
how totally absurd all this is ....
Looks like a reminder that the boot is just an inch or two from your behind.
ReplyDeleteCrazy!
Good luck Pug's. What you say here will still be considered Drama, unless you play Kumbaya in the background.
ReplyDeleteoh it's playing all the time .. cause I'm such a positive peep :)
ReplyDeletevery crazy
Hi pugs.....
ReplyDeleteWhile I'm coming in on the end of this "occurance", how utterly bizzare you should get DMV'ed and suspended for what sure appears to me to be a reasonable question of concern. I'm really sorry and keep your chin up. Hopefully, cooler heads will ultimately prevail.
I posted that my cat Tiger hurt her leg when she fell from the shelf in my bedroom closet (in Mary's "Lucy" thread, which is all about people's pets) and they poofed my post. I thought that was really rude and thoughtless. I of course never received an email explaining why it was deleted.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry that happened to you Pugs.
OMG! this is totally unreal! to suspend you over you asking a question!!
ReplyDeleteI did not see Bill's blog or the other Thread but did see pugs post after it got DMV'D With Marks reply and topic was locked! And something about Marks reply made me think something was not right!
(Thanks pug for your blog link on my wall at facebook, never did receive your bmail)
Now after reading all this It is all starting to come together now!
There was something going on yesterday with bonanzle, McAfee kept giving me warning pop-ups all day! :(
Thanks everyone my eyes just opened wider and I can see.
@ Alan, thanks. But the cooler heads no longer post much to the forum
ReplyDelete@ Colleen, I am very sorry about your post, it makes not sense like so much they do... odds are in your case it was the report crazy people ganged up on you
@ lori... no, even though my bmails are suppose to be working.. they are not going through
It must of been Bill's testing the Blog that gave your McAfee such a fit yesterday.
Can we say cover up ......
I think that is the same "glitch" I suffered late last week into early this week Pugs.
ReplyDeleteBmail was coming in but what I was sending was not going out. It just sat in my sent box.
This "glitch" started after I demanded something be done about a site regular deceptively listing jewelry. (The buyer of the junk was in contact with us through bmail - so we think that is why we were "glitching.") I shared heated emails with support about the topic.
This went on for 3 or 4 days.
Elizabeth checked it and found the same as I did but couldn't do anything about it but make sure other support staff saw my report.
When they looked at it, it was mysteriously working just fine.
It's just a "glitch" Pugs, just a "glitch." lol
WOW! Just want to offer my support..
ReplyDeleteYou have just entered the green twilight zone...
Yep, real gitches are your cache or computer
ReplyDeletesomething that isn't a glitch but they do not want to admit to is a glitch
I think we just maybe need to sit down and get some correct definitions and it could help communication
thanks Nancy :)
and what is so unique about any of their categories that they need to capture ... they need to capture it alright cause it's very illusive.. I see nothing about the categoies tat are unique to bonz or anything else ... sheesh,
ReplyDeleteI agree with a lot of things you said, but I don't think I would ask these kinds of questions, or make these kinds of statements in front of buyers. In fact, even though I empathize with you and other commenters on a lot of things, it's not something I would discuss out in the open, because it makes you look bad as a professional, talking about all this drama out in the open, when you're doing business with buyers. Professionals take care of problems privately. So I am sorry if I offended you, but I would delete all of this stuff on this blog, facebook, etc. to avoid making yourself and Bonanza look bad to buyers. Just my opinion. These things definately need to be discussed, but if you were the CEO of a business, and you had a big problem come up, or suspected the problem might be present, would you announce it publicly,(like on tv or in the forums), or would you discuss & take care of it privately with your staff? If you discussed it openly in the forums or somewhere else like tv, even after any possible problems are fixed, doubt, distrust, fear, ect. are still set in your buyers/potential buyers minds = less traffic even after the problem is solved. I think Bonanza is trying to set an example of professionality and build trust with buyers. They could have been more patient in explaining that to you. You are awesome, Pugs.
ReplyDeleteEven though life isn't all rainbows and flowers, I only share my rainy days with close friends, or people who I feel are going to understand me. I don't share every challenge that comes up in my life with the whole world -- especially in the business world. If I did, not really knowing me, some people would think anything from, not wanting to be around any amount of negativity, to geez, what a screwed up nut! People want to have a feel good experience in life with all of their relationships and experiences -- at least make the best of what they can, as much as they can, wherever they can -- especially when it comes to deciding who they're going to spend their money with. They're not going to trust doing business with someone or want to even hang around to browse if there is a lot of negativity going on.
ReplyDeleteWe are the customers of this site. We pay for their service and trust them with our financial information, so I think it is reasonable to expect them to make us aware of what is going on with issues such as this so that we may do what we need to insure that information remains safe, or if it is as they say and there was not a problem, make an open honest statement about it without punishing anyone for being concerned. Could be as simple as "Hey this happened, but we are on top of it and there is nothing to worry about."
ReplyDeleteI like to be an informed consumer and believe my customers should also be. If I foresee a problem with an order I most certainly make my buyer aware of it and help to resolve any issues to the best of my ability. As a customer I expect the same.
If I were to hear on the news that my cc company had a breach, I would call them, and if they treated me badly for asking about it I would cancel their card. Now if they are understanding of my concern and answer my questions and reassure me I am much more likely to keep them. Even better would be if they have issued a press release to their customers so that I don't feel the need to call them. Things like this happen.
I watch the news everyday, not because I am negative, but because I like to be informed about important issues.
If there were a section on their forum such as drama which is not crawled by Google where these things could be discussed there would be no need to post it in public.
Please forgive me if I am wrong but part of the reason for this blog is because there is only so much talking privately to solve site issues.
ReplyDeleteLook at what Pugs posted up above. Once support feels they don't want to talk, they send you a response that does not leave to door open to conversation. The issue I had the other day ended when support fired back at me with a blank email through that Zen Desk thing. At the top, it stated that the issue was consdiered resolved.
I am afraid that they feel that with a little time, all of this will just go away. The reality is, they need to talk to us, their customers (right on Avocado!). Otherwise, things just continue to fester.
It is my opinion that there is not enough room under the rug to sweep this situation or any future ones. Some situation corrections need to be made in order to make room for anything else.
Ahhh Goldie, I agree, serious site problems shouldn't be aired to the buying public...
ReplyDeleteHowever, treating long time consumers of the site like they've had some sort of middle aged brain fart instead of seeing a VERY serious problem with the site is unconscionable...I have a serious issue with that...can't they send out mass emails to the sellers if there is an issue instead of making us think we are all crazy???? Yes, Avocado...we are the customers..
JMHO
I responded to you on FB goldie and wont repeat that
ReplyDeletebut, to add to what nancy has said
when you email support about an issue that affects everyone and they dismiss you as you imagined it, it's not anyting they did or clear your cache
sometimes the only way to get them to listen is to put it on the forum
also, sometimes when you experience somethign people need to know so they can look out for it and report it if they also have this problem
cause support sure doesn't make announcements
rose colored glasses give me a headache
This blog isn't for pugs' buyers :)
ReplyDeletethis is barns, i'll add the avatar later. But I too think that their way of handling questions/comments should be reconsidered. A person should be able to ask freely whatever they choose. If one Boy doesn't care for the title of the thread; they can politely ask for it to be altered. There should be no reason why a mutually respectful anwer to the question can't be given. We are adults all; with a vested interest. An honest answer vs. game playing in the form of dmv'ing etc would quickly squelch any of the so called drama AND PANIC THEY SITE WILL BE FORTH COMING. (oops sorry.) That type of immature unthought out reponse is what causes the drama and panic. They need to see the relationship as a 2 way St. and practice some give and take here. It would be a better working relationship. Ticking of sellers is not a good practice. They call us members, i stopped using that term. We are customers and don't have imput unless asked-sometimes. I think many of us would go elsewhere if there was an elsewhere due to the unprofessionalism displayed here and the lack of steying on task to correct real problems. But alas; there is no better option YET. barns
ReplyDeleteGreat post Paula. I agree that some of this game playing should cease and some good business discussions where the sellers are allowed to express their concerns and ask questions which are answered is called for.
ReplyDeleteNot encouraging others, but I recently joined ArtFire to sell my handmade and vintage items and am impressed with their forum which is very informative with owners and staff who actually participate on a regular basis to answer questions and concerns. Nothing gets deleted unless it is way out there. There is a lounge area where members can let their hair down a little because it is not included in Google. I had forgotten what it was like to be in an active happening forum.
Not saying I am leaving Bonz, but the lack of trust I now feel has caused me to expand and become more active in other places.
POSTING THIS FOR RAYVENSRARITIES WHO IS HAVING PROBLEMS POSTING
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"I missed this blog take over but I sincerely doubt a decent and intelligent business person would "test" out something using foul language to do some information gathering, but then we are talking about the site owner that does one thing but makes rules that he himself thinks he's above.
I to was the victim of an unwarranted suspension and when I fought back, and threw the facts that I am very careful to keep, the suspension was immediately lifted. They tried to suspend me for a month for this silly comment
"yeah big time cheating Tsk Tsk! and then a smiley face"
I keep all bmails and emails I get from support and keep track of any notices of them removing the vowels from a post (how childish by the way).
The notices I had gotten up to that point should have put me at either a 24 hour time out or at the very most a week. Although for those remarks to have been a punishable offense was ridiculous.
As to them reading this, I could care less. This is OFF SITE and I'm not slandering by repeating facts. I can produce the emails sent to me by Mark, I can produce the threads if applicable. The site has NO control over what is said or done by members outside of their site, unless it's lies about the site or them.
Past that, nothing can be done about it. They may not LIKE the "dirty laundry" being aired in public, but if folks can't discuss problems in the site they are members of, then they are forced to do something like this to get it off their chests and discuss it.
If as the blog suggested, the sites security had been breached in some manner, they should have immediately informed us as members, the extent to which the site was jeopardized and if we needed to do something ourselves to protect our account info.
Not a thing wrong with asking about that, unless they are trying to cover something up.
I wonder how they feel right now having been a victim of being banned from a public forum??
You all do know that Bill, Mark, Tom have been banned from the purse forum right ??
If you didn't know it, now you do.
The censorship in the forums at bona have become a Nazi filled war zone. Can't post hardly anything anymore without fear of being punished for asking questions or thrown off the site. And that's a shame. I understand some censorship and not letting outright arguments happen that serve no purpose, but to not be able to ask questions about site matters that could potentially affect your store account information is just nuts "
Sorry Pugs. Seems like we're headed down a "dreary" path! I wonder if this all has something to do with all the new people Bonanza brought on board!
ReplyDeleteAfter having been slapped myself, I no longer post unless it's MM or welcoming a new member. Things have really changed and not for the better, in my opinion.