First let me say to sofy... I know this was between you and him.. but, you brought it out into the public and rightfully so... what happens with Bonanza and it's employees affects us all who sell there. You requested that when Jeremy apologized on your FB thread that no one comment after that about his apology. I went along with your request, however, even though you probably didn't mean it this way ... the way it made me think was
>>>I want you to be nice, cause, when he finally drags himself here for an apology he is too much of a coward to be able to handle any criticism and we should all just accept what he says<<<<
again, I am sure you didn't mean it that way .. but that was what it made me feel like... I said I would not have my say on your thread.. so here it is.
Not only was what this young did outrageous but the way it was handled after the fact is as bad if not worse IMO.
I find it astounding that Bill and Mark can find the time to read our blogs and post to them at will yet when a serious issue arises and they are asked and expected to comment they are no where. IMO this was up to them to say something. Instead they sent in Alex. I sure hope Alex, that you are comfortable in the role of sacrificial lamb as I am sure this will not be the last time. It seems no one wanted to step up to the plate. I can understand Bill not wanting Bonanza's dirty laundry hanging out on his FB wall and his deleting comments. However, there was no response to FB comments, emails, bmail or anything else to Bill, Mark or Jeremy... at least the only one I know of is the one from Mark to sofy about her forum thread and finally the apology to her from Jeremy.
I have no idea why this surprises me, as Bonz has increasingly not taken responsibility for things for awhile now. From glitches to anything else. Things are always our fault, our computers fault, and if you do finally prove it was them there is no apology. So, this behavior should not surprise me. Disappointing though, yes, it is.
HIRING JEREMY
this was for the social media positon
here is his intro to Bonanza
http://www.bonanza.com/blog/main/Introducing_Jeremy
His website page .. he calls himself a "specialist"
http://www.jeremiahmattocks.com/
= online media specialist
+ super cool guy
+ super cool guy
Now we may ask, just what qualifies someone to be a media specialist? These days with cell phones, texting, twitter and Facebook, I guess that could be anyone over the age of 12.
the young man writes an online comic book.. if you take a look at the context of this... one may ask .. is he a good fit for an online shopping venue???
http://itgetsworser.com/
two things I see are obvious, he has a youthful quirky, not always professional or appropriate, sense of humor and likes computer games.... that may be a good fit for Bill, but, is it a good fit for Bonanza or for this specific position?
You might say it isn't my business who they hire. It is a concern and should be to all of us that management hire the right people for the right jobs. Their choices, good or bad, affect us all and our businesses.
THE APOLOGY
OK, yes, I know some of you will say that I'm a real "B" and should not pick apart someones apology .. after all, they did apologize and we should forgive.. yada yada, yeah, ah huh... but... it's how an apology is given and the way, and what is said and how.. and it is only human nature that we take those things and it's those things that instantly put a feeling in us as to how we handle this (or any) apology. Do we forgive instantly, do we accept it but not feel good about it, do we feel it is sincere.
Granted we all apologize differently and accept and forgive differently .. that being said... this is my personal take on the apology. Granted good mostly for my own opinion only.
I think what we have here is a generational issue.... this was a typical apology of the young
"I just wanted to sleep on it first."
WTH was there to sleep on ... get in there and say you are sorry ... how tough is that to figure out
first 2 paragraphs
"For all the anger, hurt, frustration, and loss of trust I’ve caused, I am very sorry. Your anger with me is expected. But the thing I’m most ashamed of is how I’ve damaged your relationship with Bonanza. Not content to hold me personally responsible for my own private, stupid actions, I’ve seen Bonanza’s name dragged through the mud; I couldn’t feel more terrible about this than I already do.
When Bonanza hired me, they did so not because I was an expert, but because they saw potential. I’ll be the first to say I’m not an expert. I’m learning, I’m human, and I made a big mistake. This is, without a doubt, the biggest and stupidest mistake I’ve made. But that is exactly what it was: a mistake. This was not me being malicious or callous or knowingly disrespecting a Bonanza seller. This was an honest, albeit idiotic, mistake. But I promise you this: I won’t make this mistake again. No matter where I find myself in the future, I’ve learned a valuable lesson that I’ll never forget."
I don't see this about sofy, or us or Bonanza.. I see this as me me me. I see >>my butt is in a bind and I need to cover it. Since my job may be in danger let me go their first. Let me tell the boss how sorry I am I did this to his company.<<
now, lets see "expert" "specialist" ....hummmm
then he moves on
"Since my message has already been made public, I owe you all more than just an apology—I owe you an explanation." (and then the explanation that I wont bother to post here)
again, we needed the apology way more than the reason.... but, here is the generation thing again... let me put my excuse out there first instead of sucking it up, saying I'm sorry and I hope I can make it up to you.
and it's funny cause he ends that part with "This is not intended to be an excuse at all. I accept full responsibility for the mess I made. This is just an explanation." But it was so important to get his excuse...sorry, explanation out there that he put it between covering his butt with the boss and the apology.
Oh, yeah that came next.. again I will not waste space here .. if you want to read it in it's entirety here is the link http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=180531435300228&comments
and if you are interested in listening to Phaedra and Colderice discuss this http://soundcloud.com/cold
And finally
It is not so much that I do not accept his apology, I am quite certain he is very sorry, if he really understands and if the sorry is for the right reasons ... who is to say. I personally think the young man had no alternative at the point he posted that.
I think we have a huge generation gap .... in the way we see professionalism, how companies should be run, how people should "man up", in humor, in those we would hire for what positions, in how apologies are given.
This may also be me as the older generation looking at it but, those who represent a site should have a public persona that is friendly but professional. How can we expect more from an employee than what we see from the top, both of which have made some very unprofessional comments on and off site. ... .. that however, is enough to do another blog on LOL
I can always hope that they have all learned something about public perception.
thanks for reading :)
I kind of feel sorry for him having to own that absurd story Alex hatched up. However, if that was the "explanation" he gave Mark for his outrageous conduct he ought to be fired for lacking the imagination to come up with a believable "explanation".
ReplyDeleteThis incident aside after reading his little "comedy" site it is my opinion he is not a good fit for the job of marketing a shopping site. I think you are correct that Bill hired him based on Bill's preference for people (interests and what not) and didn't bother to evaluate Jeremy's online presence, world view... to see if he is the right person for *the job*. He may be a great person, but that doesn't mean he is a good fit.
I find it disappointing that Bill & Mark both seem to have left the building - the only Bonanzle person I see speaking anymore is Alex. Oh well, I guess they're tired of dealing with the "community" of their customers.
>>>Oh well, I guess they're tired of dealing with the "community" of their customers. <<<
ReplyDeleteyes, I wonder how long it will be before we are referred to as "noise"
bill did make a comment some time back that reminded me of that.. can not remember the specifics now though
Some can apologize better than others. And lame or not, it still is an apology. Hopefully he shall learn, and hopefully Bonanza will learn that it is best to fully check background and vet and train everyone. As a company grows, the spotlight becomes more glaring. Imperfections become crystal clear under the lights.
ReplyDeleteYou are on point as per usual Pugs! Thanks so much for this thoughtful insight. I could not agree more!
ReplyDeleteand just so you know, Mark did contact someone. Me. he emailed and asked if he could call me at what # and what time would be good for me. Hello? What?! What venue does this?!! I poiltely told him no thanks and he could keep his dime. He responded with OK fine but still wanted to know why I was so angry and was it due to being dmv'd last week. WHAT?! (again) hello! this is how I responded:
Mark,
I find it AMAZING that Bonanza management cannot see what is happening before their own eyes. But, if you need it spelled out in detail then OK here are some key points:
Treating sellers like we're idiots. Alex's explanation AND Jeremy's explanations as to the reason behind the insulting drivel that was suffered by Mary/Russ makes no sense. AND if it is indeed true, that is all the more sad and shows poor judgement on Bonanza's part as to hire this person for a SOCIAL Media position in the first place.
Not fixing the simpliest most basic functions on the site despite sellers pleading with management to do so but instead put inane games and other nonsensical "features" in place.
Hypocritical and juvenielle behavior by the staff in the forums (i.e. posting about alcohol/cure for a hangover) - yeah I know nobody's perfect and we all make mistakes yada yada.. NOT when you are an integral part of RUNNING a business!!! THINK before you ACT!
Simple changes to the site not being communicated to sellers (the coupon publishing fiasco whereby the published coupon effected all items in the booth) etc.. and too many more to list here.
Entering a seller's auction and putting all items on reserve - causing a loss of sales and trust - without explanation or giving the seller the benefit of the doubt - her crime? (she used the incorrect terminology of "raffle" instead of door prize)
Crude attempts at humor in customer facing system messages. More than one of my customers has been very turned off by them. Yes I mentioned it in the past but it's like shouting into the wind.
I have helped to steer many companies to success via sound data and behavioral analysis. I know internal torpedoes when I see them. Bonanza is chock FULL of them.
I have plenty more points but, that's a good start don't you think?
PCC
http://www.linkedin.com/in/pccianflone
Again just an example of Bonanza management immaturity. What were you hoping to gain by a phone call? an attempt to bully? intimidate?
it is to laugh!
Looks like he stumbled and fell on his face. The apology sounded sincere and was accepted by sofy. He did learn from this so now it's time that we accept it as well. Not one of us are perfect, we learn from out mistakes. What if you were thrown out for every mistake you made. Ever think of that?
ReplyDeleteNo I am not a Bonanzle or Bonanza member anymore. I left over 1 year ago for other issues. This one thing that Jeremy did would not make me leave if I were still there. Give that young man a chance now. See what he does with it and if it happens again then consider leaving Bonanza.
I thought it was an excellent apology and if he wrote it himself, he's a very good writer...perhaps he would be better suited on Bonanza as the Head Apologist.
ReplyDeleteI just must say that I'm not surprised at Bonanza public response. I haven't really ever received any respect or acknowledgement for being a founding member/customer/supporter of Bonanzle/Bonanza as perhaps many of you have, and I don't expect to.
They have purposely created their management style and business climate and I haven't seen many examples of what them listening to or implementing the wishes or suggestions of their customers/members. I don't expect that to change.
Patty I am at a loss as to where your hostile fury is derived, myself. I understand being frustrated, angry, disappointed... but your reaction is WOW - very intense given the circumstance. If you're done with Bonanzle so be it - have fun with your new store - I do I love my store.
ReplyDeleteI put so much of my heart into Bonanzle, and of course all my time and efforts as well, and when I left I was furious - hell I'm still furious. It would be so easy for me to start screaming everything out to the world and it is very hard for me not to. There are thousands of reasons that I haven't - each of those thousands of reasons is accounted for by a seller who depends on Bonanzle and who has worked so very hard to get their business going on a brand new site. What kind of person would I be if I forsake all those people - that I care a great deal about - just so I could pitch a fit about my broken heart? That's not the type of person I am - is that the person you want to be?
At this point you have yourself done more damage to your credibility than anything Bonanzle has to date. It is clear you are very angry I think perhaps you should step back for a few hours and really think if this is how you want to make your exit.
@ECB You misunderstand me immensely. I look at it in this way, if someone you cared about was heading toward the end of a cliff, would you not warn them? Bonanza is not worth anyone's time and effort for the little return on investment that you may receive.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes I am angry. Discredited? no not in the least. Everything I do and say is with integrity and passion. I have many accounts offline that I deal with and my business grows daily. So glad you have found success with your own site as well.
All The Best to You!!!
Patti
damned if I do and damned if I don't LOL There is no way to please everyone...something I accepted many many years ago..and my apologies
ReplyDeletefor as you put "the way it made me think was" unfortunately or maybe fortunately I cannot nor do I possess the ability to MAKE anyone feel. That is something only you can choose to do for yourself
Cheers
Mary
>>>This one thing that Jeremy did would not make me leave if I were still there. <<
ReplyDeletethe point is this is not one thing... this is another straw on the camels back
I am not really trying point out if the apology is sincere
my points are meant to be
Bonz management continues to make unwise choices and continues to not be able to respond in the most professional if ways
naturally these are just my opinions... I knew not all would agree with this blog
and for all those saying "he apologized, forgive him" this blog is not about that... you have missed the point and probably are quite unaware of many of the issues the rest of us have either experienced or see
I am sure Jeremy is a fine young man and a good employee.. and no doubt very sorry... but, was his choice in this position the best for him and for a selling venue considering all that we see.
I guess time will tell. But managements handling of the situation is becoming the norm.
>>>>nfortunately or maybe fortunately I cannot nor do I possess the ability to MAKE anyone feel. That is something only you can choose to do for yourself<<<<
ReplyDeleteyep, so the response to your friend request didn't make you feel mad and upset in anyway right, cause you would choose that yourself and not by anything Jeremy did
and my use of the word feel, was meant more how you misquoted me ""the way it made me think was" when you said think that feel... and things, everything, do make us think .. gee, lets hope they do anyway LOL
I love ya sofy but you too are missing my point... or just wanting this to go away.... sorry, this goes beyond that friend request
Someone seems to have pointed out the Twitter master list on Bonz forum... hope he read the part about not adding too many at once and he doesn't get in trouble
ReplyDelete